Looks as if Linguistlist is in need of some scientific enlightenment as well :
http://linguistlist.org/issues/33/33-2063.html
/In the new, thoroughly revised second edition of W*rds of Wonder: Endangered Languages and What They Tell Us, Second Edition (formerly called Dying W*rds: Endangered Languages and What They Have to Tell Us), renowned scholar Nicholas Evans delivers an accessible and incisive text covering the impact of mass language endangerment. The distinguished author explores issues surrounding the preservation of indigenous languages, .../
(ungood w*rds unw*rded to protect the faint of mind against ungood thinking/processing).
Best,
DH
On 20/06/2022 20:27, Ada Wan wrote:
(I just expounded on a point as a twitter reply today re the granularity of one's thinking/processing. Pls feel free to read that also.)
One can think of it in a less binary manner --- not "good" vs "bad", not "words" then "sentences", but to think of an utterance/sequence with all the finer connections in between... That is the beauty of language --- from a "philological" point of view.
I am not sure, though, if you were speaking from a scientific perspective, because I have a paper to back my argument in that regard.
On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 6:06 PM Sylvain Kahane sylvain@kahane.fr wrote:
“We’re destroying words–scores of them, hundreds of them, every day. We’re cutting the language down to the bone.” […] “It’s a beautiful thing, the destruction of words. Of course the great advantage is in the verbs and adjectives, but there are hundreds of nouns that can be got rid of as well. It isn’t only the synonyms; there are also the antonyms. After all, what justification is there for a word which is simply the opposite of some other words? A word contains its opposite in itself. Take ‘good,’ for instance. If you have a word like ‘good,’ what need is there for a word like ‘bad’? ‘Ungood’ will do just as well–better, because it’s an exact opposite, which the other is not. Or again, if you want a stronger version of ‘good,’ what sense is there in having a whole string of vague useless words like ‘excellent’ and ‘splendid’ and all the rest of them? ‘Plusgood’ covers the meaning, or ‘doubleplusgood’ if you want something stronger still. Of course we use those forms already, but in the final version of Newspeak there’ll be nothing else. In the end the whole notion of goodness and badness will be covered by only six words–in reality, only one word. Don’t you see the beauty of that, Ada?…” George Orwell, 1984 > Le 20 juin 2022 à 17:33, Ada Wan <adawan919@gmail.com> a écrit : > > Hi Christopher, > > It is of the best interest of the community to discontinue the usage of "word". The term is not only very shaky in its foundation (if any), but it can also effect disparity in performance in computational processing and robustness when human evaluation is involved. > Despite the term has been casually adopted by many in the past, like many un-PC terms that may have an inappropriate undertone, it needs to be discouraged and abandoned. > Last but not least, I noticed that you are located in Canada, in the event that you were to work with any indigenous communities, one MUST be advised to be careful with the usage of such term --- you could be imposing your own (EN- / FR- / dominant language-centric) view onto another individual/community. There is an element of cultural and linguistic hegemony with the usage of such term (including and not limited to making applications with it). > Please also consult recent work in this area: https://openreview.net/forum?id=-llS6TiOew. > > Feel free to get in touch if you should have any questions. > > Best, > Ada > > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 4:53 PM Christopher Collins <Christopher.Collins@ontariotechu.ca> wrote: > Hello, > > > > I’m looking for any open source or cloud-hosted solution for complex word identification or word difficulty rating in French for a reading application. > > > > As a backup plan we can use measures like corpus frequency, length, number of senses, but we’re hoping someone has already made a tool available. > > > > We found this but that’s it: https://github.com/sheffieldnlp/cwi > > > > Would appreciate any tips! > > > > Thanks, > > > > Chris > > > > Christopher Collins [he/him] > Associate Professor - Faculty of Science > Canada Research Chair in Linguistic Information Visualization > Ontario Tech University > vialab.ca <http://vialab.ca> > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE from this page: http://mailman.uib.no/options/corpora > Corpora mailing list -- corpora@list.elra.info > To unsubscribe send an email to corpora-leave@list.elra.info > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE from this page: http://mailman.uib.no/options/corpora > Corpora mailing list -- corpora@list.elra.info > To unsubscribe send an email to corpora-leave@list.elra.info
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